Relativistic kinetic energy is usually derived by assuming a scalar quantity is conserved in an elastic collision thought experiment, and deriving the expression for this quantity. To me, it looks bodged because it assumes this conserved quantitiy exists in the first place, whereas I'd like a derivation based upon using KE =1/2 mv^2 in one frame, and then summing it in another frame say to get the total kinetic energy. Can this or a similar prodecure be done to get the relativistic kinetic energy?

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2022-09-27

Relativistic kinetic energy is usually derived by assuming a scalar quantity is conserved in an elastic collision thought experiment, and deriving the expression for this quantity. To me, it looks bodged because it assumes this conserved quantitiy exists in the first place, whereas I'd like a derivation based upon using K E = 1 2 m v 2 in one frame, and then summing it in another frame say to get the total kinetic energy. Can this or a similar prodecure be done to get the relativistic kinetic energy?

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Mackenzie Lutz

Mackenzie Lutz

Beginner2022-09-28Added 13 answers

Assuming energy conservation isn't "bodged" because at the most fundamental level, energy is defined as the quantity that is conserved as the result of the time-translational symmetry. All specific formulae for energy, such as m v 2 / 2 in nonrelativistic mechanics, are just solutions to the problem "find a conserved quantity linked to that symmetry".
Still, you can try to achieve what you have defined. First, you must realize that K = m v 2 / 2 only holds if v c: it's just not a valid formula in relativity for large velocities. It seems that you believe that E = m v 2 / 2 is correct in some frames even in relativity but it's not. Your formula is just an approximation, via Taylor expansions,
m c 2 1 v 2 / c 2 = m c 2 + m v 2 2 + 3 m v 4 8 c 2 +
If you want to use E = m v 2 for small v and deduce what is E for an arbitrary v comparable to the speed of light c, you must use infinitely many interpolating inertial systems.
If you want to switch to an inertial system moving by velocity v, you may calculate a rapidity from
tanh a = v c
These rapidities behave as angles so if you're boosting by some incremental speeds many times, the rapidities just add up (much like angles for rotations). The total energy is then m c 2 cosh a which is equal to the usual relativistic formula but the derivation of this fact will have to use some conservation of energy argument similar to one you know. The relativistic formula is the only one that reduces to m v 2 / 2 for infinitesimal v and that conserves the energy while the object is boosted.

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